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The VS podcast is a bi-weekly series where poets confront the ideas that move them. Hosted by poets Danez Smith and Franny Choi, produced by Daniel Kisslinger, and presented by the Poetry Foundation and Postloudness.

Popular episodes

Us vs. The Finale

Nov 9 • 01:20:28

Friends, we’ve reached the end–Franny, Danez, and producer Daniel say their goodbyes after five wonderful years as the crew of VS. The team reminisces on some of their favorite moments from the show, tells some behind the scenes gems, and gets a lil weepy by the end. As we say in the episode, we are so deeply grateful to have had the opportunity to create this show for you...

Rachel McKibbens vs. Endings

Oct 26 • 01:14:19

On our last guest interview (oh god!), the squad is joined by masterful poet and overall champion Rachel McKibbens. Recording from the spooky, amazing bar she runs in Rochester, Rachel breaks down her comfort with violence, the power of stopping without providing an ending, the joy and uniqueness of her Pink Door retreat, and much more....

Sarah Kay vs. Sarah

Oct 15 • 01:29:45

We’re dancing in the reflection pool with the inimitable Sarah Kay. On this penultimate interview led by Franny and Danez, the magnificent poet and poetry community member talks about what happened when she turned internal in the pandemic, the relationship between public persona and personal growth, and the gift of connecting with the form that she’s trying to pay forward ...

Douglas Kearney vs. Protection

Sep 28 • 01:06:17

Cyrée Jarelle Johnson vs. Satisfaction

Sep 14 • 01:09:51

George Abraham vs. Returning

Aug 31 • 01:24:08

George Abraham is ready to return. The Palestinian-American poet and professor talks with Franny and Danez about the experience of revisiting their first book Birthright, carving a past and future for themselves in the face of colonialism and homophobia, learning to spur their readers into action, and much more....

Evie Shockley vs Gathering

Aug 17 • 01:00:49

Aria Aber vs. Ruins

Aug 3 • 01:02:58

francine j. harris vs. Being a Hater

Jul 20 • 01:10:11

Cynthia Dewi Oka vs. Spectacle

Jul 6 • 01:09:43

Cynthia Dewi Oka writes across generations, and what emerges is spectacular. The poet talks with Franny and Danez about flipping spectacle on its head as a way of subverting power, bringing both her mother and her son into the creative process, writing surreality as a young mother, and much more. This is a gem, y’all!...

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